I will generalize too and say that this cynicism is not only an Italian problem but a west European one. Actually I cannot say for the Spaniards, Portuguese, Scotts and Irish. But as a french man living nowadays in Germany, I can definitely say that we French have that flaw. And my English friends wouldn't deny it when I say they have it too. The Germans have it much less I feel. This is of course very general, my personal American friends are not gullible for everything and many west Europeans are open minded. But some times it's worse than a national sport, it feels like a disease. Still I am all for France and haven't taken the German nationality. Like you, I need to go back there at least once a year to replenish my batteries. But for me it's not that far...
I will generalize too and say that this cynicism is not only an Italian problem but a west European one. Actually I cannot say for the Spaniards, Portuguese, Scotts and Irish. But as a french man living nowadays in Germany, I can definitely say that we French have that flaw. And my English friends wouldn't deny it when I say they have it too. The Germans have it much less I feel. This is of course very general, my personal American friends are not gullible for everything and many west Europeans are open minded. But some times it's worse than a national sport, it feels like a disease. Still I am all for France and haven't taken the German nationality. Like you, I need to go back there at least once a year to replenish my batteries. But for me it's not that far...
Unfortunately, it seems to be the nature of the game that a culture may have some amazing traits but almost inevitably seems to also contain some awful ones. And we are left in the position of picking the mix that is most congenial to us
Definitely needed this, I have been feeling like its one of those things where the grass is always greener. Born and raised in the Bay area, I think everyday " I wish our culture was more like Italy's or Spain's". A place where there is not this stigma on pleasure and where the simpler things feel of the highest quality (Friendships, Food, Lifestyle) but I know for me, it would be really hard to not have much of a choice when it came to the other things in life, like forging your own path career wise as that can really determine (at least in part) someones happiness. Another really great read! Grazie daniele!
This year I spent three months going up and down Italy for the first time with my wife and kids. It was so magical. I can't explain it. Just looking back, I just remember feeling so happy almost everyday.
In some ways I feel I hit the 'Goldilocks zone' for the length of stay, and I think your post reminded me of that. In three months, we saw much of the country but didn't stay quite long enough to stop feeling like visitors and start to grind up against the headaches you have when you become a resident in a place. The inevitable disenchantment once you get past those breathtaking vistas.
I've been living in Taiwan for ten years (originally from Sydney), and so I know the phases one goes through with the attempted integrating/assimilating process, the 'honeymoon period', the inevitable (partial or total) estrangement, and all the adjusting in between. I've heard of other people who live in Italy longer and get embittered with the other sides of life there, which I guess happens everywhere. Yet for me, all that negative press remains somehow second-hand info to me - in my lived experience, it still felt like a kind of paradiso, although I know of course it is not.
Really great to read nuanced perspectives like yours here. Grazie!
I've got this to offer on descriptions of the food...
If Stalin said "Quantity has a quality all of its own" then food in Italy shows "freshness has a flavor all of its own."
Danielli. Presently, I’m touring Italy for three weeks with my family. Your recent posts have been especially poignant. Last week I could imagine Putin v Zelenskyy in the Colosseum.
Thanks for this perspective on the country of your birth and its people. This is so well written! I’m looking forward to taking you along for the remainder of the trip.
Since you mentioned Italy, we have a request for a sports-related episode: The epic rivalry between Fausto Coppi and Gino Bartali, and what it meant for post-war Italy.
They are both heroes, and well known among sports fanatics here in Finland too, thanks to the author Jukka Pakkanen, who wrote enthusiastically about Italy, football, cycling and life. Finns could easily relate to the Coppi-Bartali saga, because sport was an important part of our national post-war therapy as well.
“Un uomo solo al comando, la sua maglia è biancoceleste, il suo nome è Fausto Coppi”. - "Yksinäinen mies on irti, hänellä on sinivalkoinen paita, hän on Fausto Coppi."
Just subscribed to your Substack after your recent dialogue with DC. (Don't know why I did not earlier) This was worth the subscription right here. Great essay, very powerful. Maybe it just caught me at the right time as I have been thinking about some of these issues recently, but thanks!
Hi Daniele,
I will generalize too and say that this cynicism is not only an Italian problem but a west European one. Actually I cannot say for the Spaniards, Portuguese, Scotts and Irish. But as a french man living nowadays in Germany, I can definitely say that we French have that flaw. And my English friends wouldn't deny it when I say they have it too. The Germans have it much less I feel. This is of course very general, my personal American friends are not gullible for everything and many west Europeans are open minded. But some times it's worse than a national sport, it feels like a disease. Still I am all for France and haven't taken the German nationality. Like you, I need to go back there at least once a year to replenish my batteries. But for me it's not that far...
Hi Daniele,
I will generalize too and say that this cynicism is not only an Italian problem but a west European one. Actually I cannot say for the Spaniards, Portuguese, Scotts and Irish. But as a french man living nowadays in Germany, I can definitely say that we French have that flaw. And my English friends wouldn't deny it when I say they have it too. The Germans have it much less I feel. This is of course very general, my personal American friends are not gullible for everything and many west Europeans are open minded. But some times it's worse than a national sport, it feels like a disease. Still I am all for France and haven't taken the German nationality. Like you, I need to go back there at least once a year to replenish my batteries. But for me it's not that far...
Unfortunately, it seems to be the nature of the game that a culture may have some amazing traits but almost inevitably seems to also contain some awful ones. And we are left in the position of picking the mix that is most congenial to us
Thanks Daniele,
Definitely needed this, I have been feeling like its one of those things where the grass is always greener. Born and raised in the Bay area, I think everyday " I wish our culture was more like Italy's or Spain's". A place where there is not this stigma on pleasure and where the simpler things feel of the highest quality (Friendships, Food, Lifestyle) but I know for me, it would be really hard to not have much of a choice when it came to the other things in life, like forging your own path career wise as that can really determine (at least in part) someones happiness. Another really great read! Grazie daniele!
Thank you for reading!
Thanks Daniele,
This year I spent three months going up and down Italy for the first time with my wife and kids. It was so magical. I can't explain it. Just looking back, I just remember feeling so happy almost everyday.
In some ways I feel I hit the 'Goldilocks zone' for the length of stay, and I think your post reminded me of that. In three months, we saw much of the country but didn't stay quite long enough to stop feeling like visitors and start to grind up against the headaches you have when you become a resident in a place. The inevitable disenchantment once you get past those breathtaking vistas.
I've been living in Taiwan for ten years (originally from Sydney), and so I know the phases one goes through with the attempted integrating/assimilating process, the 'honeymoon period', the inevitable (partial or total) estrangement, and all the adjusting in between. I've heard of other people who live in Italy longer and get embittered with the other sides of life there, which I guess happens everywhere. Yet for me, all that negative press remains somehow second-hand info to me - in my lived experience, it still felt like a kind of paradiso, although I know of course it is not.
Really great to read nuanced perspectives like yours here. Grazie!
I've got this to offer on descriptions of the food...
If Stalin said "Quantity has a quality all of its own" then food in Italy shows "freshness has a flavor all of its own."
The freshness is indeed amazing compared to what we are used elsewhere
Danielli. Presently, I’m touring Italy for three weeks with my family. Your recent posts have been especially poignant. Last week I could imagine Putin v Zelenskyy in the Colosseum.
Thanks for this perspective on the country of your birth and its people. This is so well written! I’m looking forward to taking you along for the remainder of the trip.
Have some gelato for me! :)
What’s your favorite flavor?
One scoop of pistacchio for me per favore - always go pistacchio, especially in Sicily!
Thanks! We’re in Siena but I think your advise holds true here as well
menta. cioccolato. stracciatella. nocciola... who am i kidding? I like them all
Since you mentioned Italy, we have a request for a sports-related episode: The epic rivalry between Fausto Coppi and Gino Bartali, and what it meant for post-war Italy.
Gino Bartali was also a hero for what he did in WWII. Amazing story
They are both heroes, and well known among sports fanatics here in Finland too, thanks to the author Jukka Pakkanen, who wrote enthusiastically about Italy, football, cycling and life. Finns could easily relate to the Coppi-Bartali saga, because sport was an important part of our national post-war therapy as well.
“Un uomo solo al comando, la sua maglia è biancoceleste, il suo nome è Fausto Coppi”. - "Yksinäinen mies on irti, hänellä on sinivalkoinen paita, hän on Fausto Coppi."
Just subscribed to your Substack after your recent dialogue with DC. (Don't know why I did not earlier) This was worth the subscription right here. Great essay, very powerful. Maybe it just caught me at the right time as I have been thinking about some of these issues recently, but thanks!
thank you so much!
which part of Italy?